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Serge Angéloz's avatar

This is one of the clearest walkthroughs of the Orch-OR lineage I've read, from Jordan's amplifier theory all the way to Penrose-Hameroff's microtubules. Your footnote on compatibilism is the part that stayed with me — I've never found a version of it that doesn't quietly smuggle determinism back in through the side door. I explore a related angle in my book The Quantum State of the Mind, less focused on proving coherence survives in warm neurons and more on what indeterminacy would mean for consciousness if it does.

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There are a lot of distinctions to make between the "res extensa" vs "res cogitans" and the later "mind body problem" and "the hard problem of consciousness". These are not exactly the same problems although they are intimatly related. It is to be notice that this line of problems did not exist previous to new scientific mode of thinking pionnered by Galileo/Descartes/Leibniz/Newton . These problems are a direct consequence of this new scientific mode of thinking and the limit of this new mode of thinking. The problem disapear or is diffused when we recognise the limit of this mode of thinking. The limit is that it correspond to the "it" of our language. Our language as our nervous system makes the foundamental distinction between the "it" (inanimate) and the living/animate. Verbs describe only what animate entities does. The scientific mode of thinking is limited to our handling with the inanimate. These problems emerged under the limitation of the scientific mode of thinking to the inanimate. Thus we needs a living cosmology, one allowing the expression of our full being. If living is methodologically cast out, calling it back in the cemetary of the inanimate will be called problems. The casting out is the problem.

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